As the Bali verdicts begin to unfold, the investigation is still fresh into the bombing of the Marriott hotel in Jakarta this week. While Indonesian police are saying they believe it was the work of Jemaah Islamiah, an investigation has been launched into the possible involvement of the country's armed forces.

Presenter/Interviewer: Peter Lloyd, Southeast Asia correspondent

Speakers: Indonesian government advisor, Djuanda

Peter Lloyd: One of the most high profile members of the Megawati Government is the Coordinating Minister for Political and Security Affairs, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, and one of his top advisers is a former Navy intelligence officer named Djuanda.

He says attempts to blame Muslim extremists for the latest bombing are premature and may be disguising a campaign by darker forces trying to undermine the country's five year experiment with democracy.

Djuanda: We have another group who has also the capacity of making terror by bombing, let's say the Asian terrorist militaries, Asian terrorist intelligence.

Peter Lloyd: Are you actually investigating that possibility?

Djuanda: Right. So I persuade those with authority to be more and more let's say, decisive in this case.

Peter Lloyd: What advice are you giving the Security Minister? Are you telling him that you need to investigate other possibilities, such as military involvement?

Djuanda: That is already in the, what do you call it, in the works.

Peter Lloyd: People who want to undermine Megawati?

Djuanda: Yes. Undermine, not only undermine, but at the same time to make the, what do you call it, to make a pact for them taking the [inaudible]. So creating the political tension.

Peter Lloyd: For decades, Indonesia's police force played a subordinate role to the armed forces. Then, two years ago the two were separated. Police are now are struggling to develop independent intelligence capacity and while they are getting help from outside sources such as the Australian Federal Police, security operatives like Djuanda believe the Army is still jealously guarding important information about internal security threats.

Djuanda: They are [inaudible] to the Army. This is the problem.

Peter Lloyd: Do you think that the military does hold back intelligence that it has?

Djuanda: Of course!

Peter Lloyd: But specifically about what happened on Tuesday. Do you think that is an example of the withholding of information?

Djuanda: I can assume that.

Peter Lloyd: Is the bottom line here that for some in the military, they have no interest in preserving this democratic experiment, they would prefer mayhem because it could lead to a return to an authoritarian government?

Djuanda: We know also that terrorism is a danger for democracy. Right? But what type of democracy we will have if this democracy becoming the opportunity for the terrorists to channel their language of [inaudible] violence.