Compere: Rafael Epstein has also been speaking to Inga Lemp, who was based in Baukau for the past month. She's been telling Rafael Epstein of conversations that she followed on a radio scanner. She heard Indonesian elite Kopassus troops and military intelligence directing and aiding militia activity and giving the militia thugs directions to kill the unofficial foreign observers.

Inga Lemp: One was, you know, who would pay for the food of the militia at different campaigning events that were pro-autonomy where the militia participated? There was another one of retrieving rifles at a, from a site, a town called Kasar [phonetic] where the [inaudible] militia and the Mahedian [phonetic] militia from [inaudible] together, a week prior to that had laid down the arms in a symbolic laying down of arms ceremony publicly; so the whole conversation was who was to go, retrieve them, when? Would they do it on the 30th when UNAMET was too busy with the election, be observing them and watching them and so on? And the last and probably most clear one was a direct threat on our lives, as I said, OP observers, where the militia heads of the town's leading family were told to stop our car, kill us and throw our bodies in the river.

Rafael Epstein: So the militia were told to do that by the military?

Inga Lemp: Right. And there was conversation about how to do it. At one point they said they should stop the car and let us walk to Dili, which is a likelihood of getting us to disappear in the woods, but the river was mentioned three times, our bodies in the river.

Rafael Epstein: What other orders did the military give specifically about solving [phonetic] the local population?

Inga Lemp: They were supposed to keep their radios on air twenty-four hours, that they were supposed to be on standby is the word they constantly used. That as soon as the opposition would light a fire, then they would really let it explode, but they were trying to hold out till the vote and then afterwards all hell would break loose.

Rafael Epstein: So, there were orders that after the vote the violence would escalate?

Inga Lemp: Right, but they kept saying if the other side ignited [phonetic] before it, then they would go ahead and fight back.

Compere: Inga Lemp has been based in Bacau for over a month. She's from the International Federation for East Timor Observer Project. She, like most others, has had to quit and was speaking with Rafael Epstein in Darwin.